Synthetic wins over laminate because laminates, strongest of all, are also heaviest. Trust me, you could do worse, but youll be hard-pressed to do better! Choose at least medium weight for caliber: 140 grains in 6.5mm and the lighter 7mms; 140 and 150 grains in .270s; 150 to 160 grains in faster 7mms; 165 or 180 grains in .30 calibers. crying, My kingdom for a rifle.. Of course, it took the .338 Winchester Magnum many years to catch on, and it took the .243/6mm cartridges over a half century after the introduction of the 6mm Lee Navy cartridge to gain popular acceptance, so perhaps there is still hope for the .35's. The big issue with the .350 Rigby Magnum is the lack of available ammunition. For the next year, comparisons were inevitable between Johanssons Hammer of Thor and the .358s powerful 250-grain bullet. The full spectrum of our many 7mms, from 7mm-08 and 7x57 on up to the fastest 7mm magnums, are also fine, but they are not magical giant-slayers. Included in that have been a whole bunch of deer, hogs and a bear or two. .35 caliber rifle cartridges have been around practically forever without ever really becoming popular. All we do know for sure is that it was either Howe or Whelen, or both, who necked the .30-06 Sprg. For more specialized uses, Speer makes a 180-grain flatpoint (semispitzer)that, with reduced loads, turns the .358 Norma Magnum into a pussycat for recoil but is easily capable of handling game such as black bears and white-tailed deer out to 250 yards or so. Its spawn, the .351 Winchester Self Loader, fared a little better, but it was never in danger of greatness. The 250-grain .358-inch bulletwith a sectional density of 0.279if properly constructed, has enough length to handle the brown bear and bison, and all of the African plains game species, plus lion and leopard. Thinking of a medium bore with a bit of thump.9.3 x 62 holds some exotic mystique for me being its use on African large game but I am thinking realistically .366 cant be that much of an advantage over .358 can it? Perhaps thats how it should be, the masses rarely embrace true greatness. Of the bullets used, several performed extremely well, including the Bear Claw and a Nosler 250-grain Partition. Too bad Ingemar Johansson was not so well equipped. Powders such as IMRs Trail Boss, Accurates 5744 and IMRs discontinued SR-4759 all work with lighter bullets, and sometimes accuracy is very good, even if the gas seal is not. Coming from me, this conclusion may shock you, so let me give you another surprise. I think Jack OConnor, the great champion of the .270, would agree. Compare practically any small bore cartridge (.32 caliber or less) with a .35 caliber cartridge of similar powder capacity and the result is pretty much the same. This raises the obvious question: Why, with so many modern cartridges around of more or less equal power, chambered in readily available rifles, is there this lingering interest in, and loyalty to, the .358 Norma? An elk offers a large target, so extreme magnification shouldnt be necessary. It shoots well and is light and easy to carry while hunting. My 35 Whelen will run 250gr partitions at 2700 fps with power pro 2000 powder. I own several rifles in this cartridge and all my .35 Whelen rifles are accurate. Not necessarily top dollar everything. Kynoch was a big producer of .350 ammo, but that has ceased in the recent past. The .308 Winchester is a fine elk cartridge, and the grand old .30-06, with a bit more velocity and energy, is better. Wolfe Publishing Company | 2180 Gulfstream Suite A | Prescott, AZ 86301. R Rocky You know the kind with the locking bolt. Contributor Brad Fenson takes to the grill, to cook up some delicious venison burgers. Of course, not all .35-caliber cartridges approach greatness. Copyright 2023 National Rifle Association, Bertram Brass from Australia is a good source when you can get it, and Quality Cartridge makes a run of .350 Rigby every few years, but you could be waiting a considerable amount of time. Publisher, Kevin Steele is with Brett Marquardt from Streamlight Inc. discussing the new Streamlight Pro Tac 2.0, the latest edition in the Pro Tac series. It will kill farther than that, of course, but that is its optimum range. Id mate it with a good 180-grain bullet, top it with a one-inch-tube scope (to save weight), and go elk hunting. For anyone with an experimental or fanciful turn of mind, the .358 Norma and the many .358-inch diameter bullets are a gold mine. The .358 in a bolt-action rifle with a good scope is as accurate as any hunting cartridge available. They truly were ahead of their time, as they were short magnums back when being a short magnum wasnt cool. Follow along to see exactly how. Elk hunting can be extremely physicalnot only steep country, but also altitude and sometimes deep snow to buck. With its spitzer-pointed bullets, the .358 is a good medium- to long-range cartridge with capabilities out to 250 yards on big game. On June 26, 1959, Sweden's Ingemar Johansson demolished Floyd Patterson in the third round of their first heavyweight title fight in New York. 358 norma mag is a rarer bird but as I understand fire forming 300 win mag brass an easy way to feed it. As unmagical as that might sound, it's one of the hardest hitting non-magnum cartridges ever. With todays interest in long-range shooting, big scopes are in, but powerful scopes add weight. Read today's "The Armed Citizen" entry for real stories of law-abiding citizens, past and present, who used their firearms to save lives. Although such weight is rare, a big bull can exceed 1,000 pounds. A monster buck is different from a fork-horn or a fat doe. The most popular cartridges for hunting and even target shooting begin and end with the thirties. All Rights Reserved. Mention the Rigby name to any rifle aficionado, and odds are that the famous .416 Rigby cartridge will come quickly to mind, and with good reason; it is an undeniable classic. I wont be ashamed to take it elk hunting, but today Im certain that level of power is not essential. Had the .358 Norma Magnum been chambered in an American rifle, or at least promoted by an American company, the popularity of the cartridge may have been much greater than it is. Ive seen many elk taken cleanly with a .270 Winchester, and my own longest shot on an elk was on a big New Mexico bull at 400 yards using a .270 Winchester with a 150-grain Nosler Partitionone step and down. The norma would cost more if I had to open the bolt face. This new model featured two new cartridges, the .350 Rem. Among my own favorites for the .358 Norma are the Nosler Partitions in both 225 and 250 grains, Swift A-Frames (225, 250, 280) and various Woodleighs, including the unique 310-grain Weldcore. and .35 Rem., it was an excellent woods rifle for hunting whitetails. SAUM and .300 WSM, with their 180 grain bullets at a MV of 2960-2970 fps, have an optimum range of about 120 yards on 1000 pound animals. Make no mistake, the .30-06 is a powerful cartridge, but it doesnt beat you to death and can be built in the seven- to eight-pound range. Nosler offers the .350 Rem. Frankly, I would not want to be without them. In 1987 Remington made an honest cartridge out of the .35 Whelen. It is very accurate, easy to carry and fast on the target. We argue cartridges and calibers endlessly, but bullet choice matters. And with modern powders and loads, it knocks on the door of the .300 WSM and .300 Winchester Magnum. 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I say that because so many reasonably successful yet hard kicking cartridges have been introduced in the last few years. And the hunter must have full confidence in his or her choice. necked up to .35 caliber. Another vote for something different.The 358 STA would be the one. Its a great gun for moose and elk, bear and boar, and for bison as well. By and large, we shooters seem to gravitate to the middle of the road; to bland, yet predictable, mediocrity. It can work in close or at a distance or dazzle you with footwork. Elk Venison and Root Vegetable Stew Recipe, Best New Thermal Optics from the 2022 SHOT Show, Venison Backstrap with Sweet & Spicy Peach Relish Recipe, Tested Tough - Modern Zeiss Sports Optics. I have needed to reach 400 yards, but never a whole bunch farther. Bottles & 12-oz. It can be the ballistic equivalent of the .30-06 with a 180-grain bullet or, pushed the other way, it can easily match the velocity of the .300 Weatherby Magnum with the same weight bullet. Any desire to hunt African dangerous game with your medium bore? This means that the momentum of a rifle's reaction will exactly equal the momentum of the bullet and powder gasses ejected from the barrel. Gun guys recognize the potential in the .358. Mag. I am not into the current long-range fad, especially on powerful animals like elk. Re: 35 whelen vs 358 norma mag vs 9.3 x 62, Powered by UBB.threads PHP Forum Software 7.7.5. Mag. all were more powerful-and may have been excellent hunting cartridges-but they are gone; rejected by the shooting public and banished to the junk heap of obsolescence. With the best loads, my Remington Model 700 is one-hole accurate. Still have a 9.3 (so I guess it "won"). The .35 Whelen is accurate, hits hard, penetrates deep, shoots flat and recoils mildly. [1] The company has chambered several rifles in the cartridge including models in bolt-action, pump-action and semi-automatic. In the mid 70's I picked up a 358Norma. You get the shot you get, and within sensible limits, you must be able to take the shot offered. The .358 Norma established its reputation in high-end hunting rifles like this Schultz & Larsen Model 65DL. Perhaps, if the word gets out to the shooting public, the born again .350 may finally achieve the commercial success it deserves. Your at the old delema again: does 200 fps matter to the deer. The .35's are just plain superior for CXP3 class game. i have a 35 whelen and love it. If the .35 Rem. Does the power of the magnum offer much over the whelen in real life terms? were to go head to head with the .25-35 Win., .30-30 Win. Thanks for any thoughts. That load actually produced 2825 f.p.s. The .358 Norma Mag. of muzzle energy. So while some of my rifle choices may have been oddball, none of the rifles Ive used for elk have been exactly wrong. zero-we see that contrary to popular belief, a 35-caliber can be a long-range cartridge. The .35 Win., .35 Newton and .350 Griffin & Howe Mag. They live in steep, rough country, and their long legs cover a lot of ground. Winchester and Hornady both offer 200-grain loads at 2475 f.p.s. Heres how to avoid the poseurs and choose the right one. Kali Parmley of Gun Dog Magazine talks to George Thompson from Benelli USA about the new features from the Benelli line in 2023. As many hunters know, the Remington Model 600 carbine, which was introduced in 1964, was one of the first short, light, bolt-action rifles to find success with deer hunters. The nearest of any to the .358 Norma was the .35 Newton, which it closely resembles. Hunting Shack 358NORMA2N Game King 358 Norma 225 gr Sierra GameKing Spitzer Boat-Tail - 20rd Box. To get started, click the link below to visit mymagnow.com and learn how to access your digital magazine. The fortunate few who own them want to keep them, and these are the core admirers who make it worth Normas while to continue offering brass and loaded ammunition. It arrived with three other cartridges designed to compete with Winchesters popular lever-action lineup. 200-grain bullet to almost 2500 f.p.s. in the Big Bore Model 94. The 338/06 when compared to the .35 Whelen only beats it with the lighter bullets and not by much. Winchester still offers ammunition, but the guns are history. Loved by gun guys and rejected by the huddled masses, this is perhaps the most underappreciated cartridge of them all. The .350 Remington Magnum is the only cartridge that appears on both lists of current and obsolete calibers. With a 200-grain bullet at 2460 f.p.s., it is a heavy-hitter on whitetails. The .358 Norma Magnum is a rifle cartridge introduced in 1959 by Norma. From there, you can work up until you find a load that gives you the accuracy and velocity you want. In both cartridges, versatility is limited more by the narrow range of bullets available than by any other factor. On the other hand, you must hit it well, because if poorly hit, an elk shows strength and stamina and may cover many miles of tough country. was also the only cartridge of that original Remington family that was based on a different parent case. Common loads fire a 200-grain bullet at 2,800 fps (about 3,480 foot pounds of energy), a 225-grain bullet at around 2,600fps (3,380 foot pounds of energy . .500 Nitro Express. Oklahoma. The Norma factory load, with Normas own 250-grain bullet, performed poorly, coming apart in the chest cavity. For the one perfect all-around elk rifle, Im not sure you can beat the good old .30-06. The original Schultz & Larsens were sold without iron sights, and they were installed on my rifle afterward. At 300 yards, it has 19 percent more energy than the .300 Win. Its safe to say that of all the .358 Norma Magnum rifles in existence, there are more custom than factory ones, and this makes it tricky to load for in another way. The company made its humble start in 1963in Gussago, Italywhen Giuseppe Pietta made a commitment to produce guns as authentic and true-to-original as possible. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. These work, but my thinking has changed over the years. the problem in this debate is we are crossing over in calibres, which means thrust on different sized pistons. Kevin Steele from Petersen's HUNTING speaks to Jordan Egli of Burris Optics about the all-new Veracity PH Riflescope. One can almost hear the echoes of Norma Mag. Boltface would have to be altered for the Norma. The "U.S. Rifle, Caliber .30, Model of 1903," better-known as the M1903 Springfield, has become one of the most popular U.S. military small arms to collect. The .357 Magnum revolver cartridge has also gained considerable popularity as a combination rifle/pistol cartridge and lever action rifles for the .357 Magnum sell pretty well. The .350 Magnum has a case length of 2.742 inches, and an overall cartridge length 3.44 inches, so it will feel at home in a magnum-length receiver. Then come the .270s. The .358 Win. was included in that party is a mystery, as it had no Winchester counterpart. The Remington Model 600 Magnum rifle, along with the cartridge it birthed, was just such a product. Mag. However, that may be changing, or at least the possibility of change may exist. He never questioned the adequacy of his .270 for elk, nor do I, but he was also a lifelong .30-06 fan and privately conceded its superiority for elk-sized game. The M700 has been a popular action for building a rifle in .358 STA, a wildcat based on the 8mm Remington Magnum. This is basically a deer and black bear (CXP2 class game) cartridge, although it is reputed to be superior to cartridges in the .30-30 class for game weighing over about 400 pounds. The .35 Whelen is a fine elk cartridge. While I generally prefer the former over the latter, I think that both choices are effective. Blocker Outdoors Finisher gloves, headcovers and other accessories are available in Mossy Oak Bottomland and Mossy Oak Obsession NWTF camouflage patterns to match various turkey hunting terrain. This stumpy little cartridge was introduced to the hunting public in 1908 and is the only surviving member of the early class of Remington rimless cartridges. X-Vision Optics long-range ImpactThermal Scope (TS300) boasts a 640 x 480 thermal sensor that can detect big game well past 3,000 yards. Heeding the advice of American friends, Kvale worked on what would become the .358 Norma Magnum. Also H&R 1871, Inc., offered single-shot rifles in .35 Whelen from 1994 to 1996. My .375 H&H seemed quite adequate. In any mass-production rifle, either the .375 or .338, or both, will be found as a standard chambering. With such a variety of bullets, you would think the skys the limit in terms of different loads, but there are other factors to consider. Looks like I'll do a Whelen. Energy figures have it knocking at the door of 375H&H. Its still a fine choice, but I dont have a .338 right now. Im voting no. At 300 yds., the .358 Norma impacts only 0.96" lower than the .300 Win. I have never lost an elk, and I do not recall ever tracking one for recovery. Well, it betters the velocity of the .35 Whelen by at least 200 fps, much the same as the .338 Winchester Magnum does to the .338-06. I have built all 3 several times for various customers and owned both the 358 Norma and the 9.3X62. I was used to the 30-06 parent cases (.270, 25-06, etc) so that is what I decided on. 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I think it would be cheeper to get another action or a magnum bolt. Have a .350 Rem Mag, building a .358 Win currently, would prefer to do the .358 Norma if possible but not sure if this action can handle it.Anyone? In its 112-year lineage, it has probably taken more elk than all other cartridges combined. There was a time when I questioned the adequacy of the .270 for elk. The .45-70 is another very popular cartridge. Winchester introduced its initial trio of belted magnums in the mid-1950sthe .458 Winchester Magnum, .338 Winchester Magnum and .264 Winchester Magnumand all were designed for the long-action receiver, using a case length equal or similar to the .30-06 Springfield. This is in sharp contrast to the overwhelming success of the .357/9mm handgun cartridges, whose popularity dates right to the beginning of the self-contained cartridge era. I did kill a ton of squirels with pistol bullets and a little 700X, it would shoot little cloverleafs at 50 yrds. 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Remington loads a 200-grain PSP Core-Lokt bullet at a muzzle velocity of 2775 f.p.s. There have been many others, such as the .35-30 Maynard (both in the 1865 and the 1882 versions) and .35-40 Maynard. That being said, with much wider availability, and the higher . and the 6.5 mm Rem. It is, as you say, a thumper. The .338-inch fans cite the advantage of the higher sectional density figures, while the .358-inch camp favors the better frontal diameter of the larger bore. Also as I have a lot of 357 pistol bullets I was figuring on being able to use them as reduced loads/smaller game options in either big 35 cal should I go that route. Here the elk offers hunters an advantage because the vital zone, like body size, is at least twice that of any deer. Todays Norma factory ammunition is loaded with the companys excellent bonded-core 250-grain Oryx. I am often criticized for following the Elmer Keith school in suggesting powerful cartridges. The .357 Magnum is ideal for light game like javelina and will do for the smaller species of deer and antelope at short range. But starting in the late 1950s, the .338 bore size gained considerable tractionthanks to the emergence of the .338 Winchester Magnum. G. Joined: Sep 2009. Kevin Steele stops by the Taurus booth to speak with Cody Osborn about the all new Raging Hunter platform from Taurus International. .50 Beowulf. Head to the range this week with American Rifleman staff as they discuss a trim little repeater from Savage Arms that comes chambered for the .22 WMR cartridge. Looking for previous installments of our "Behind the Bullet" series? In the shooting sports we call that reaction recoil or "kick." The parent of this cartridge is the .30-06 Springfield, which is necked-up to accept a bullet diameter of .358 in (9.1 mm).This cartridge is more powerful than its parent, especially in killing power on large game. Even so, most experienced deer hunters have pretty good ideas on appropriate rifles. Shortening the 2.85-inches long .375 H&H case wasnt exactly a revolutionary ideathat little-known .275 H&H so closely resembles the design of the half-century younger 7mm Remington Magnum that its uncannybut with the Winchester marketing machine the concept was brought to the forefront. Mag. So, I've hunted elk with less ambitious rounds. All in, it weighed over 11 pounds, which is too heavy. Why cant we love the .35? was initially chambered in Remingtons Model 8 autoloader, soon followed by the Model 14 pump-action. These are elk cartridges, and as Jack Atcheson Jr. likes to say, the .338 numbs them. Heres a detailed look at each step of the process. in an 8.5 pound rifle, is comparable to the much more popular but less effective (on CXP3 class game) .300 Weatherby or .300 Remington Ultra Magnums. The only rifles I can find in production are from Nosler, Remington and CVA. It did shine with 148gr Double ended wadcutters over a few grains of 700x shooting clover leaf groups at 50 yards, I used it all fall putting squirrels in the pot. Sure, we experiment a bit with other bore sizes, but in the end it always comes back to the .30 caliber. I rely on Roberson Cartridge Company out of Texas for projects like these, and their .350 Rigby brass is wonderfully uniform and properly headstamped. and .32 Rem. would follow that tradition. Sometimes you get a point-blank shot; other times you need to stretch it a bit farther. Ive had a 350 RM in a 600 Remington since the 60s. I took it to Texas in 1989 and decked a nilgai at about 90 yards. This list gives some idea of the .358 Normas status today: Those rifles rarely seem to come on the market. Layne Simpson did an article on the comparison of the two and it was reprinted in Big Bore Rifles and Cartridge ISBN 1-879356-00-7. Whelen would not. Mag. The .300 Rem. Thats the primary game for many of us, but one size doesnt fit all. The .35-caliber cartridges usually top out at 250 grains, though if a 300-grain bullet at a slightly faster twist rate were employed, it would certainly be in the same class as the .375 Holland & Holland. However, Winchesters .338 Magnum proved to be the darling of not only those bound for the 49th state, but for those hunting elk and moose at lower latitudes. Subscriber Services. As it was released in the first century of the .
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