Nickle cases look pretty but dont seem to take the number of resizings that plain brass cases do. The Speer #8 lists a max of 7.5 grs Unique with a 125 gr Jacketed SP This would be for plinking for my wife's ~3" Rossi, so something light and fun to shoot would be great.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 Special.All three of those powders have published load data for that weight bullet in .38 . JHP, 125 gr. I bet you can find some nice shooting loads with Bullseye. I favor the appearance of the C/T load and find it slightly easier to grab and orient in the loading process. Even though the gun was chambered for .357 Magnum, I plinked and practiced with a lot of .38s over the years. A significant difference in speeds is usually noted. WST seems like such a good powder in .45 ACP that I thought I might try it. NULLI SECUNDUS. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck?highlight=distinguished+++%2Bloads, Load question on Penn Bullets for Distinguished load. Dennis, I dont reload and Im only 72, but shooting the .38Spl in my 6 S&W 586 is a sublime experience. Many people tend to poo-poo .38 Special (standard pressure) for self-defense as being somehow underpowered. .38 Special (Alliant Data) Warning! Its just two lubed balls on top of each other with the top ball roll crimped just past the hemisphere. The cold header swages a bullet in one or two strokes. Rookie, back in the day when I was reloading I went through a 3 round butt L. Horton special model 24, a 4 24 and a 4 624. Groups with these loads ranged from 1.25 inches to just under two inches at 25 yards across a handful of pistols. The least is usually supplied as a large cylindrical billet weighing several hundred pounds. Thank you for the article. http://www.alliantpowder.com/reloaders/Powder.aspx?powderid=1, I also have the Berry's 125gr plated flat point bullet and I am trying to find a min and max load with unique powder. I'm not looking to blow up my old model 10. LOL. IT'S A COMBINATION TAPER AND ROLL CRIMP. Reloading for it came next and it has since become my favorite pistol cartridge. Bullets are .357 for jacketed and .358 for lead in diameter. Hornady also has load data for the 110-grain .357 XTP for the lower-pressure .38 Automatic. 38 special load question - Bullseye Forum favorite 38 Special handloads - 24hourcampfire Winchester 231 is between Bullseye and Unique for the .38 special (see my personal load above). I think you will find since the .38 special is headspaced on the rim your case length is very important to achieve your best accuracy. Any pistol competitions yet? A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion. Bonus is the CT #305 grips are both large enough to be actually useful, and can use the laser, or turn it off if you dont need the laser. Below, are three loaded rounds. In terms of the best stopping power for .38 Special, I personally like 150 grain full wadcutters or 158 grain hollowpoint semi-wadcutters. Left to right:148 gr. SWC, 160 gr. 44 Rem Mag 36,000. My Dad has advanced arthritis and could not longer easily work his auto loaders. .38 Special Load Data - PowderThrough.com Powders include IMR, Hodgdon, Alliant, Vihtavuori, Winchester, Accurate I found the plated wadcutters to have NO accuracy. Most notably the lighter weight bullets. . Hodgdon gives starting load of 4.0 grains and 4.4 grains MAX. I love a nice, full-size .357 Magnum on the range because it is so easy to train new shooters on. Extremely light loads for 38 Special revolver - The Firearms Forum I was just trying to get a general consensus of what other guys were using. Reloading Data for .38 Special - Load Data - 1895Gunner. Modern .38 spl std HP load is more than enough, dont over think it. IMHO .38 special is just fine for self defense, but just not enough to crack engine blocks. If she had shot more, I would have probably bought another set of dies, to prevent the need for changing adjustments between the two. People who prepare usually tend to focus on the survival basics: security/self-defense, water, food, first aid, sanitation/hygiene, knowing when to get out and when to stay put. Don't worry too much about lead/coated/plated/jacketed. . 4.2 gr. Bought my small handed wife a 642. I burned up about 300 of them before giving up. Currently using Titegroup, but started out with, and loaded many thousands of rounds, with Bullseye. Hollow points are not. It was introduced in 1902 by Smith & Wesson, and has since become a worldwide cartridge. Through the heyday of bullseye shooting over the various match courses of fire, there was probably a Mount Rushmore-sized mountain of powder loaded and combusted 2.7 grains at a time. 148-grain wadcutter brings accuracy that begs the shooter to test their limits. Loading the .38 Spl. & .357 Mag. - An Official Journal Of The NRA I did start out fawning over all of the tactical gear, but once I had that covered my tastes matured I think to love the wood and steel guns. And Vihtavouris N320 and N321 fall in this range for burning times. If you're looking for a real light load that's easy to shoot, I'd just use WW's data for the W231 with a 125 gr. So I expect recoil would be substantial and not very target-ish. Rules say (e) Ammunition- Any safe .38 caliber ammunition using the 158 grain round nose or Semi-Wadcutter bullet only. I first started reloading 40+ years ago at a Lee Loader in .38 Special for a brand new Smith & Wesson Model 66 I had just purchased. Soft shooting. Note the dark band of lube on the 3 lead bullets. SASS# 85224. I cannot begin to fathom shooting 20,000 rounds out of that revolver! WAP, WMR, WSF, WSL, 760, 748, 231 and 540 are products of Winchester, Components Div. BrianEnos.com If there is a search function for these forums (didn't see one) I'd be happy to use that too Go to the Alliant website and find the data for Unique and Bullseye. ES 56 SD 24 PMC Eldorado Starfire +P 125 gr. Prefer to use the CT model 305 laser grips in lieu of S&W grips. 7.) 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special - Forums You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. The use of .38 +P+ level (25,000 27,500 psi) type reloads, in .357 brass. This is good, because the snub takes a lot of practice to have a consistent capability. Ive been looking for a reason to get into reloading, and am particularly intrigued by the extremely long case life of .38 Special. The Model 19 is fine with .38s but mildly uncomfortable with .357s. Installed some wood boot grips, modified them with grooves at the bottom of each side panel, similar to those on Pach. You are spot on about Trail Boss, that stuff is magical with cast reloads. A cold header, at their basic level, are multi ton power presses laying down on their side. I make a habit of counting the number of reloads I make by keeping a tally of primer and bullet boxes. Very little recoil, and grouped acceptably out to 15 yards or so. 9.) The cases are large enough that they can be easily manipulated by inexperienced hands and yet small enough to not require much force in the sizing stage. I did 400 rounds in one afternoon on my Hornady progressive. Youre describing Remington Multiball ammunition (R357MB)- I used to carry that stuff decades ago. Always make sure your lead bullets have been sized and lubricated. I reached an interesting number the other day. Although the .357 cylinders are the same length so they can be timed to a 642. Great Cast Lead Bullet for IDPA. Fifty yards of course is the preferred distance. Im not recommending that you carry the Bullseye load, but dont feel as if you are going to tactical purgatory for enjoying this load, either. One cool load Im working on is two pellets of 000 Buck.. accuracy. RN, 158 gr. Home About Partners Contact. I SEE THAT YOUR TALKING ABOUT USE THE AMMO FOR D/R. Display as a link instead, I also find the LCR .357 enjoyable to shoot with all .38s and most .357s. This is an easy-shooting load that can cause some power-philes to tusk-tusk and comment. Use the lead bullet loads with the plated and you will be fine. So I'd think you should find a decent load for short line at about 700 Fps and for the long line at about 800. It's given me good results in the 2, 3 and 4 inch barreled. Super-Accurate .38 Super Loads - Shooting Times Nice thing about reloading is that loads can be tailored for the gun that you are shooting. The 38 Special Ball round was designed a long time ago to comply with specifications laid down for ammo that was : 1) Compliant with the Hague Accords of 1907 in regard to "unnecessarily" injurious ammunition. Load it like Trail Boss. This load tends to clock about 670 feet-per-second (fps) give or take 20, depending on the exact brand of wadcutter and the revolver its fired in. 41 Rem Mag 35,000 1995-2022. Thanks to all for the info. I'd rather shoot my .45 then. My Hornady book says for 158 gr L-SWC, Unique powder, CCI magnum primer the minimum listed (not sure if that's absolute minimum) is 4.3 and maximum is 4.7. Reloading Data .38 Special (Alliant Data) Metallic - Load Data The .38 Special's MAP is 17,000 psi, whereas for the .38 Special +P it is 20,000 psi. Posted: 4/17/2014 10:53:09 AM EST. Over 20,000 rounds, Ive found that theres rarely a wrong way to do .38 SPL. load is 4.4 grains for 38 special and 5.0 grains is a +P load. 2 and No. Ive played with several that I like, but the classic in 9mm is 4.4 grains driving a 115-grain jacketed bullet. With all the loads available, you can surely find one within recoil tolerance. 300 Blackout Fine-Tuning: Finding the Right Barrel Length for Your Rifle. We've got some great loads for 158 coated and plated semi wadcutters, and we're trying something new. I dont see much conversation on these specifics but I think Its all about the size of the explosion in the chamber. These are the bullets I bought: 158 gr from Roze dist. 110gr JHP! Since we are working with a gun that doesnt have a magazine, we can afford to mess with this dimension at will. Even better, is get some 38 S&W brass. Load it in 38 Special dies. Posted March 19, 2015. That's usually +P power level in .38 Special. Recoil is mild enough that for many years it was the golden choice for the next introductory step for young or new shooters after rimfire. .38 Special Bullseye/148gr Berrys wadcutter???? - 24hourcampfire 3 gr of WST in a 38 spl case with 125 gr plated bullet is a very light load. If there is only ONE load, it is MAX. The pistol or revolver of good quality is vital. The Lyman is handy for sizing or priming while youre watching a movie. You can't rely on this because not all variables for YOUR cases and chamber and loading length, etc. I load rounds for my wife to shoot @ Win 231 4.0 to 4.3 gr. Notes: primer: CCI 500; case: Speer; NOTE: All loads are maximum. A Forum dedicated to the sport of Bullseye shooting, Bullseye-L Forum::Ammunition Discussion, I'm looking for an accurate load using 125gr bullets. 100 except where otherwise noted in "remarks" Be Alert: Publisher cannot be responsible for errors in published load data. 125 gr plated or 125 gr lead RN. ,I looked at Speer data, nothing there. This produces about 550-650fps from a 1 7/8 barrel and feels like shooting a very powerful .22LR. This is not loaded 9mm ammo. I use 3 gr. If you havent taken a look at what the .38 Special offers, youre selling yourself short. Too early Are you sure? And, oh yeah. You will find plenty of Red Dot loads there. I miss those days. Forget about it. I could knock out a pretty substantial chunk of my shooting needs with only these three loads. Alliant listed 3.6 gr Bullseye as maximum (15000 psi) in 38 Special and 3.8 as max in 38 Special PLUS P (17000 psi) with 158 LSWC bullets. Working up a 38 Special load - xtreme 125gr + titegroup 38 Special 158gr. JHP Load? | Glock Talk I wanted a good carry gun that was light and reliable, so I decided that the .38 would fit and I just went with it. If you have a lightweight .38 or older gun, you may want to start with 10% less than max amounts listed above, and work up to the full loads. I'm going to start with 3.8 grains. Three in particular proved as good as their longstanding reputations would indicate. Going up to 3.9 Gr for +P. I find the Pachmayr Compac grips on my 640 reduce the slap of full-boat .357 to less than that on my 3 M65 (w/ wood Altamont grips) or my 4 686 (Pachmayr Gripper Professional grips.) Also internet references 2009, Copyright. Id pay at least a dollar to see it. .38 brass isnt as common as 9, .40, or .45 brass at the range, but of all the revolver brass you can find its the most plentiful. defensive ammo. I never really set my sights, in a manner of speaking, on the .38 cartridge like I did other rounds. I have some W231 that I use for my .38 super. Read my very long thread about "DR loads that don't suck". 7, No. 5 are good choices. Since it hit the market 103 years ago, it has been a staple for most handloaders and the backbone of most accuracy loads in the popular calibers. Accurates No. The Charter Arms .44 models are potential CCWs, but are too light to properly handle the .44 spl. How Do I Choose Good Self-Defense Ammo For My Handgun? We look at three classics: one each in .45 ACP, .38 Special, and 9mm. A 158 SWCHP at 850-875 fps from a snub. * All PLUS P loads for guns designed for it (20,000 PSI), (Cowboy loads shot in 7 1/2 bbl.revolver no need to reduce), ALL THESE LOADS ARE PLUS P, SPECIAL HOT 21,000 PSI. Hornady 115-grain HAPs over 4.4 grains of Bullseye alongside 25-yard timed-fire target. 358430 (195 grain) round nose bullet that was used in the old 200 grain police loads as there is always interest in these. You can always back off to the .32 S&W Long or .32 H&R Mag if you choose to. Traditionally, the max SAAMI pressures were: 38 S&W 14,500 Im not a hoarder and I dont keep them, but I am detailed in my process. Thats a pretty clear explanation and comparison of the NEEDS of the strength of the chamber for each caliber. I carry my M642 extensively, but I only shoot it occasionally because it is a snappy little b!tch with standard loads. Good point Len. .38 J frame.) I have a long way to go before I'm ready to compete, but enjoy plinking and hand loading. I have used everything from simple lead to the most advanced machined copper bullets and found them all to be extraordinarily easy to load and shoot. When I say that theres rarely a wrong way to do it, I really mean it. Battis, if you go to the very bottom of this page you will see Castpics. You have entered an incorrect email address! The SP101 is far more comfortable to shoot but not so much fun to carry. Upload or insert images from URL. Which left me with the last two. Load manuals often advise against downloading .38 Special jacketed loads to prevent squibs, especially the 110 and 125 grain bullets. It doesnt appear like there is much of an advantage in using WST with lighter weight bullets. 4.) I started with a Lee Loader for my shiny new Python .357, because all the ammo I could find (in 1968) was lead semiwadcutters, loaded so hot they sloughed off the lead in the bore, so after a box you couldnt see any rifling, it looked like a smoothebore, and lord was it hard to clean!! VV N320, N330 and N340 are products of VihtaVouri Oy Company Think a lot of people would find that a .44 special or .45 Colt, in a decent revolver, a viable alternate to a pistol. Plated bullets are to be loaded as lead bullets. Regulator, SBSS #2255, Pawnee Station, Ro I & II. head I use 3.2gr. The Pistol a Smith and Wesson model 27-2 The goal is two fold. Also some WSF. Power Pistol won't work for me. And yes I appreciate them for a hunting gun because of their fine accuracy and find trigger pulls (older classic guns). Speer .38 shot cup, 5 grains of UNIQUE, and (3) #1 Buckshot pellets dates back to the 70s as a Junk Yard Dog load. I just bought a Lyman mold 160 round nose with a crimp groove. The All-American .38 Special | Load Data Article .38 Special Chronograph Test | Perfect Union Hornady Case life is excellent, especially for mild loads. The .38 Special remains very popular for personal protection and Michelle Hamilton shares her thoughts on the top loads for concealed carry, like this 158-grain SWCHP FBI Load, based on her testing. But I found 2.4 and 2.7 interesting at 25 yards off the sandbags. As I researched loads in the meantime, I kept seeing the same several popping up again and again in sources from as recent as yesterday to long out of print books from when air travel was a newfangled wonder. I wish Id had a commercial version of this load in my ammo allocation when we were tasked with getting classes of students up to special operations standards with the issue custom 1911s. My son asked if I wanted him to help, then fired one shot and handed it back. (Cowboy Action) 38 Special (Cowboy Action) 38-40 Win. was a breeze. I'm asking the above questions because I don't want to run too hot of a load, but wasn't sure if it was ok to drop down below 2.8 as far as 2.5. Help with 38 Special Load with Bullseye - The Firing Line Forums Im new to loading the 38 for accuracy, but the biggest issue I found with case length is your crimp. As a result, Ive been able to spend far more time practicing with it rather than fussing with it. (Or so I have heard.). I shoot a Glock 21, and had a great time shooting some poly coated 230 grain round noses today. I can shoot this load at speeds I cant normally reach with .45. 11/2/2022. That isnt unique to Bullseye, but is certainly more pronounced with the relatively small charges required. YOU WOULD BE WASTING YOUR TIME TRIMMING THE BRASS. I may have to rethink my plan. Shoots well in my K-38, 686, and a friend's K-38 at 50 yards in the Ransom rest. Most modern revolvers chambered for .38 SPL are rated to +P, so there is room for error, but care must still be taken. I dont mind it at all, though others do and look to similar performing powders that address these things. Just want to state for the record, that with one of the more heavy duty Corbin presses it is possible to easily swage some hard cast bullets. Powder Bul Weight C.O.L. Does anyone have any data. 38 spl.s. 38 special , bullseye, and 125 grain lead rnfp - The Firing Line I really enjoy Trail Boss and use it extensively for plain lead and plated bullets. https://www.bullseyeforum.net/t2221-distinguished-revolver-loads-that-don-t-suck. Create an account in a few clicks or log in to continue. There are so many new powders today, its hard to keep up. Heck, 38s in a J frame arent fun- theres no way a 327 Mag isnt worse. Of course, these will be used in a revolver. I'm guessing they still go bang, and leave the gun to go downrange. Agree Problem with the J frame S&W is the grips. is limited to either the various Charter Arms models, or as a training/target load in a .44 magnum size handguns. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account. IMR 3031 and IMR 4895 are products of IMR (formerly DuPont) Powder Company. My Lyman 49th has data for 125 gr JHP and 120 gr LRN. The covered blackstrap and extended length Compac design I reckon are major factors in reducing perceived recoil. Would you like to react to this message? Only the Model 60 sometimes have factory installed grips that are not worthless. This gun now wears factory synthetic grips which are decent but could use more girth behind the trigger guard. 7.8 gr Blue Dot 1,170 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 7.0 gr Pressure: 15,700 4.5 gr Bullseye 1,085 fps 1.43" Fed 100 Alliant Suggested starting load: 4.1 gr Pressure: 14,900 My use of the term adequate means that Hodgdon has produced a workable result for the .38 Special, .38 Special +P, and .357 Magnum that may be used for 125 grain weight bullets having velocity limitations. For those folks shooting a lot of lead bullets, invest in a Lewis lead remover. I'm planning to use Alliant's Unique powder to reload with 125 grain flat point jacketed bullets from Berry's and Winchester small pistol primers. 5, #2230, and #2460 are products of Accurate Arms Company Javascript is required. Dont take this the wrong way; Im guessing the average age of .38 spl fans is about my age (70). 4.0 gr. Your experience is definitely motivation for me to give my J-frame more range time! And if youre doing that [shooting 158 grain bullets at 1200 fps muzzle velocity] with a snub.let me know I wanna watch you shoot em. 2.7 gr. of Bullseye with Lee's 125gr RN mold in a 38 special with so-so accuracy. You may find it will need to be faster for good 50 yd. In fact, in the past I specifically sought out revolvers chambered in 38 SPL only, knowing I would never be putting a 357 Mag in it (I carried a 4 GP100 chambered in 38 SPL as a duty sidearm in the early 90s). The range (understandably) insisted you shoot their ammunition and the mildest they had was 158 grain LRN standard pressure. Your link has been automatically embedded. Most double end wad cutters are 148 grain, and DR bullets must be 158 grain. Like the author said, I consider it a garbage disposal round as you can load it with almost anything with good results. 38 Special Loadings | Ruger Forum Allgoodhits Posts : 726 Join date : 2017-09-17 Location : Northern Virginia Like Thanks for the excellent article, Josh! Just an FYI. Compac for my little finger to wrap around under the butt. 4.2 gr. (bullseyeforum.net). Current J frame factory grips have similar features and are made of a stiffer compound. swatmag.com is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. A revolver shooting .38 SPL only requires the power of your finger to make it fire and can thus be loaded with ammo that is extremely mild or hotter than hot. Powered by Invision Community, 125 grain plated flat point in 38 Special. Easy to reload and it started my reloading experience. Hence I carry a semi-auto pistol chambered in .40 S&W. .38 will take care of nearly any critter that needs dispatching feral cats, raccoon, armadillo, even wait for it. Super cheap and easy to make and would likely be a very effective defense ammo against wildlife that might be a threat to me as the two balls will spread an inch or two from each other at close range. I recently picked up a 396 Nightguard and am a convert to the 44 Special! Most people have one general power level for their semi-autos due to the fact that the guns wont function with ammo thats not energetic enough to cycle the slide. Bullseye Handgun Powders Smokeless pistol powder Billions of rounds have been loaded with Bullseye since it was introduced in 1913. Fast burning and consistent Economical and accurate Principal Purpose: Handgun loads Remarks: America's best known pistol powder. .38 Special: What I've Learned After 20,000 Rounds Only if you see more than one load, is it less than maximum. I never enjoyed touching off a 357 Mag in a K frame, and I cannot imagine the discomfort of firing it in anything smaller or lighter. The powder charges used for .38 are forgiving. WST is less dense than BE. They all shot horrible at 25 yards. favorite cowboy load (38 spl) - SASS Wire - SASS Wire Forum Down-loading .38 special L6: 1.550 inch = 39.37 mm Barrel Length : 2.0 inch = 50.8 mm Powder : Hodgdon HP38 Predicted data by increasing and decreasing the given charge, incremented in steps of 2.0% of nominal charge.
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