Dylan has been so reclusive. I am certain that Sue no longer lives there but she still does visit the house as two Columbiners took a Columbine/E &D tour" in Jan .or Feb and saw Sue outside the house as they drove by. Without one factor (their brains) or the other (the guns), this wouldn't have happened the way it did, but I don't see the point of dismissing/elevating one over the other. Theres to me a level of skepticism we have usually of course with the scraps of info we had, but also the slight weirdness/more to it/unreliability when it came down to this particular topic, Find it interesting Tom would say he was Dylans best friend. I remember Oprah had teachers and students from Columbine on her show within a month of the event. They may show cruelty to animals, or alternatively a high degree of affection or attachment to animals. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric . It's getting late; Eric looks at his watch and says it's 1:28 AM on March 15. i think he was also quoted saying that he had lost his best friend. I believe it was either a sibling or playmates. I didn't like life too much and I know I'll be happy wherever the fuck I go. Adam killed 20 children and 6 adults at Sandy Hook Elementary. I could have built an atomic bomb in my bedroom and they wouldn't have known or cared. That doesn't make them monsters. Firstly, like everyone else he didn't pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his 'best friend.'. I've always felt sorry for Dylan, who seemed so lost and depressed. R71, having seen Patti Lupone shit all over Gypsy, I can assure you, there's a Hell. She is the author of A Mother's Reckoning, a book about the signs she missed of Dylan's mental state. Firstly, like everyone else he didnt pick up on his mental health nor was Dylan apparently showing it to his best friend. I do find it odd that youd characterise your 17 year old son as your best friend anyway, youre his father. We are not there yet. That's why I have so much contempt for the Harris and Klebold families. In the vacuum of actual news, they just start over again. Dylan Klebold's father contacted authorities, saying the boy might be involved and offering to help, Jefferson County District Attorney Dave . Harris's father erroneously stated that his son was "a member of what they call the Trenchcoat Mafia" in a 9-1-1 call he made on April 20, 1999. Dylan Klebold (Dylan Bennet Klebold) was born on 11 September, 1981 in Lakewood, Colorado, United States, is a 20th century American mass murderers. It didn't seem to slow down the ordinary media train. Very exciting though, the progress we've made. I'm a true follower of Reb &VoDka. This girl went on screaming for full minutes at a time - nobody came out of the house and told her to be quiet. Sue (as both she and her son share the same surname, Im going to refer to them by their first names for the sake of clarity) begins by emphasizing that she and her husband, Tom, truly had no idea what Dylan was planning. Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. Brown can . Indeed, R96. (The OP was looking for books on personality mirroring and other techniques sociopaths use). Focus on the mental. That's the first thing. The testimony people point out of a co-worker stating Dylan didnt get on with his father is unreliable as he couldve been having a teenage moan or joining in one time right up to regular bitterly disparaging remarks and reasons why. I honestly do believe (and so does mom) that his brain has been rewired primarily by a head injury he sustained when he was just toddling. She and the father lectured him, took away . Per the other Columbine thread, I'm in the midst of reading Dave Cullen's "Columbine." There are several bags on the floor, including a large maroon one. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. Eric . . Eric: "Yea Everyone I love, I'm really sorry about all this. He had friends, but felt as if he were a burden; he wanted love, but the girl he was interested in didnt know he existed. I can't find any photos of Eric's older brother, Kevin. VOTN, they used to think blood-letting and reading the bumps on people's head was science, too. Hi Alison, That kid was born with some sort of brain injury. Just as the son's evil made people go back and re-evaluate his dad, discovering examples like the time Poppy sabotaged his opponent's sail boat the night before the race; one wonders if one should investigate more closely the dealings of the Harrises. I don't think it's fair to either demonize or absolve them, but from studies of psychopathy, even the best parenting can't make that be turned off. The parents of Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, remained in seclusion Wednesday as a global media horde encamped at their houses after the murderous rampage Tuesday at Columbine High School. I think it is really interesting to think about the many things that lead someone to commit a school shooting. Some psychopaths are obsessed with money or power, but when you combine psychopathy with sadism, you get an Eric Harris. They believe what they want to believe. Ed Berg, a former business associate who has talked to Tom Klebold since the shootings, said Dylan's father has come to grips with the boy's crime. Posted 3 years ago Dylan and Robyn had fun. ", Eric: (shrugs) "My parents might have made some mistakes that they weren't really aware of. we only know so much and there have probably been incidents we dont know about. Dylan was a depressed teenager with many mental issues. Eric's dad answered a phone call from Green Mountain Guns. We've never left. The two would . From her comment on her official website, she felt it was disrespectful to focus on the killers when today should be all about the victims. . They were not the mainstream group. . They opened fire on students and teachers at Columbine High School in Columbine, Colorado, on the Nazi leader's birthday in 1999, killing 12 classmates and a teacher and wounding 23 people before taking their own lives. of course, tom has never come out and publicly spoken the way sue has; from my personal observation he seems to be a little more torn up about it than she. It would be comforting to think otherwise. I can't help it. I say this as a person who worked as an assistant to special needs kids for years. Dylan Klebold and Ryan Harris killed 13 people at Columbine High School in Colorado in 1999. He and his partner Dylan Klebold were responsible for the Columbine High School massacre (1999). From what we cam tell, the Harris family took a laissez-faire attitude towards Eric. How are parents supposed to know everything that goes on in their children's minds? But 936 pages of evidence taken from the killers' homes and cars were released by the Jefferson County Sheriff's office on Thursday, and a notebook kept by Eric's father . The problem, Cullen concludes, was that there is almost nothing that can be done to help psychopaths. But she focuses greatly on the lead-up to that day, hoping to shed light on what happened to her son in order to help someone else see signs in their own child while they still have a chance to intervene. They acknowledged they missed signs that their son was in trouble. I guess it's my generation. There's no remorse, no connection to anything we would call human. . Harris was a sociopath. Just three days before the shooting, he went to prom with a friend. But even if you work with them to avoid their *own* pain, that's a start. The deadliest school shooting in the United States was the Virginia Tech massacre, with 33 fatalities and 23 injuries. What a twat. I suppose it's ok to let children scream in restaurants and theaters as well? In the days after Dylan Klebold along with Eric Harris shot and killed 12 students and one teacher and then himself at Columbine High School on April 20, 1999, his mother, Sue Klebold, remembered . R16 = Female with daddy issues who doesn't take kindly to unkind remarks toward her fellow twats. Parents are not automatically responsible for the behavior of their teenage children. its hard to take anything a grieving parents says objectively and we can of course have compassionate understanding for that but also realise it may differ from the reality of the situation, which must be painful. He's wearing black BDUs (military-style pants) tucked into military-style boots. He injured 2 students before his gun jammed and he was arrested. But Sue and her husband didnt know what the signs they were seeing meant. No one could control him. Ken Caryl Middle, where he met Dylan Klebold. Join date : 2014-02-11. . Dylan Klebold had been accepted by the University of Arizona and planned to attend this fall. 'Toxic culture' blamedHe was hopeless. additionally, dylan was definitely naturally shy. Dylan Klebold's mother: 'I felt I was a good mom'. Based on what I've read so far, he's working off the assumption that Klebold was a depressive with self-destructive tendencies (he mentions suicide over and over in the journal kept for two years prior to the incident), and that Harris was a full-blown psychopath. We had to get up at 4:00 AM to be there by 6:00. Denver area Jews, meanwhile, have expressed discomfort at the emphasis being paid to Klebold's alleged Jewishness. People need to understand this could have happened to them, he said. A place to discuss the massacre that took place at Columbine High School in Littleton, CO on April 20th, 1999. They have grown up to be (somewhat) upstanding members of society, but I don't see how it is so easy to go from knowing your kid is making crank calls and setting off amateur pipe bombs to seeing him as a psychopathic murderer. His father was a geophysicist and a mother worked with the disabled . Funny how things cycle. As a literature teacher, symbolism is not lost on me. In their first interview since the Columbine High School massacre, the parents of one of the killers said they feel no need be forgiven and didnt realize their son was beyond hope until after he was dead. His father, who had been in the military, was strict with Eric, and actions in that house had consequences. By his junior and senior years, Dylans parents knew something was wrong. And now she won't show it. . 1/12 Tom is home from the hospital. 5 feet 6.5 inches tall, 135-140 pounds. Dylan, Cullen writes, was depressed. Its exactly people like you that caused this massacre to happen in the first place. [quote]Dang, I'm unemployed and I wanted to watch today's Oprah about Columbine. Then Oprah asked if they ever reached out to them or spoke to their parents - not one of them had done a thing. Empathy; not so much. But she came to realize the truth was far more troubling. Harris and Klebold met at Ken Caryl Middle School during their seventh grade year. Dylan Klebold was suicidal for several years before Columbine. Brooks Brown, now 31 years-old was a senior at Columbine during what was considered to be the worst school shooting in U.S. history. ", "If they had even one shred of decency they would have taken full responsibility for creating and shaping and not monitoring these monsters.". Press J to jump to the feed. They crowned a queen, they crowned a king. 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron. The attack on Columbine is almost a prototypical school shooting, but one way in which it stands out is that it was committed by two people together. April 20, 2009 6:01 PM. Eric Harris, 18, and Dylan Klebold, 17, walked into Columbine High School with shotguns, automatic weapons, and homemade pipe . (Stephanie . If I didn't know that I would have done the same. I cannot have my uzzer patrons being upset. She just took interest and responsibility for what I did as long as I was both underage and under her roof. Subject: Re: Dylan's house google earth Tue May 10, 2016 10:18 pm. A few weeks ago, I reviewed Sue Klebolds memoir A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy, about her experience as the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the Columbine High School shooters. In general: School shootings happen most at high schools, with a student at the school acting alone as the shooter. Theyd never seen his rage, nor ever felt scared of him. The parents cars were in the driveway. 5. The school shooting took place on April 20, 1999 at . Dylan kept talking about college, about his future. Can you imagine having one of those monsters as your brother? Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris opened fire at the suburban Denver school on April 20, 1999, killing 13 people before taking their own lives. (They werent.) Isaiah's father said. Asking how instead of why allows us to frame the descent into self-destructive behavior as the process that it is. The world was shocked and sickened on April 20, 1991, when crazed students Dylan Klebold, 17, and Eric Harris, 18, slaughtered 12 students and one teacher at Colorado's Columbine High School. Talking about the home video they took of that day, Its absolutely stunning how normal Dylan seems (p. 235). There's a blurb on the back flap comparing the book to Helter Skelter and In Cold Blood, and I thought that was just kind of typical PR purple mumbo-jumbo. Ericx92s parents, too, did what parents do. No, they hated the gay boys almost as much as they hated the jocks. As the mother of Columbine High School shooter Dylan Klebold prepares to speak out in her first interview since the gruesome 1999 shooting massacre, a survivor of the attacks has . By the time of the shooting, facing his intense feelings of alienation, she says his journals show the only emotions Dylan could connect to were anger and hopelessness. KleboldI started reading the Columbine book, how does he try to explain Klebold? I certainly understand how they feel. "However, there is credible, tangible, measurable, and repeatable evidence that there are some people, for whatever reason, have their brains wired differently.". In them, its obvious to see how his anger and rage turned from being directed toward himself to directed toward others. For an optimal experience visit our site on another browser. The parents of Columbine killers Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold have often been portrayed as disengaged from the lives of their sons and unaware of the dark paths lying ahead. Goodbye. Introduction: My name is Golda Nolan II, I am a thoughtful, clever, cute, jolly, brave, powerful, splendid person who loves writing and wants to share my knowledge and understanding with you. Did those kids talk about this? On April 20, 1999, two teenage gunmen kill 13 people in a shooting spree at Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado, south of Denver. That's the first thing. Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold was the deadliest high school shooting in U.S. history, . It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. Guns and weapons? I can handle them "spending too much time on the killers", but unfortunately I recognize there are too many whackjobs in this country who would just see it as glorification. And although there was never anything we could do to put him away, so to speak, before he hurt someone, my mother would *never* claim in an aftermath that she had no idea of his mental state or his comings and goings or that she didn't know what made him that way. Maybe he needs to go home. His parents didnt yet know to monitor his internet usage. End of story. [quote]Am I supposed to be impressed by dates, VOTN? This thread is going to hell in jig time if it turns into the all-too-familiar "they were running up and down the aisles and that caused Columbine!!!" Bartol, C. R., & Bartol, A. M. (2017). Dylan was giddy and beaming, all cleaned up for once. Describes how eric harris and dylan klebold approach columbine high school, in jefferson county, colorado. They haff come here to haff a nice dinner und a nice time. Eric is filming. For not seeing that, I will never forgive myself.. It is actually a lot of conformist bunk to serve the status quo. There was a creepy thread started by a sociopathic OP a couple of weeks ago where this was discussed. Here's what you need to know: 1. "some manipulate, like my parents.". Dylan Klebold had written about a "god-like figure" dressed in black, brutally gunning down fraternity-type boys. Most of you posters here are complete idiots and voiceofthenight is the biggest moron of them all. Every parent has flaws and every parent makes mistakes, but to me they mostly come across as a very normal family like there are millions all over the world. His dad followed him around with a camcorder, capturing every move. A Mothers Reckoning: Living in the Aftermath of Tragedy. I don't think I can categorize Dylan's relationship with his parents as bad or good, because Dylan was incredibly disturbed teen and clearly had a skewed perception of reality. Yesterday there was a girl in her backyard screaming like an insane person at somebody or something. It profiles Sue Klebold, Dylan Klebold's mother, and examines what lessons Americans should take away from the tragedy. ", Dylan: (sticks his face in the camera) "Goodbye. Christ R22/R32/R39 et all. What is something of a mystery to me is why things reached the point they did. Or it's everything. I read recently that neither set of parents ever spoke publicly or to the media. He's wearing a plaid shirt, either dark blue or black with white; the shirt's untucked. It just seems all a bit odd. I think those that readily (and outrightly) blame the parents are inclined to do so as to perpetuate some aspect of control, otherwise the shear nature of the case becomes too frightening. Dylan Klebold was 17 when he and Harris,18, carried out their long-planned attack on the high school about 13 miles south of downtown Denver. Stop doing that." As much as it sucked I knew deep down that it was just a stage and that it wasn't real. How can you not hear your child scream? -- b. In the April 24 column, Brooks had paraphrased an article in the online publication Slate that said Harris and Klebold yearned to become the most prolific mass murders in history. ", Dylan: (interrupts) "We did what we had to do. Well, Mrs. Klebold is quite the victim, isn't she? I havent done anything for which I need forgiveness, Susan Klebold said. I've met members in USA, UK, Norway, Sweden,Germany,Brazil, Chile, Ireland, India and the Bahamas. As his father's career pulled him out of schools and away from friends leaving Plattsburgh, New York in 1993 for Colorado Harris increasingly retreated into the computer and . I read a lot of opinions on Eric and his dad Wayne. Harris was a "budding psychopath, a person without a conscience," he said. Second, the reason no one at the school noticed is because no one is ever trained to notice. We've hardly seen him & attempts to engage him have been futile. Eric and Dylan worked extremely hard to conceal their machinations. Dylan: "Hey mom. Sue Klebold. I am with R14 and 15. German-American restaurant owner: "You vill not be a mass murderer!" Sue Klebold is the mother of Dylan Klebold. This is my (completely layman's) opinion, but I've always figured that we have more or less tamped down the "How" of the brain, but we're still working on the "Why" of the brain. I believe the parents both left the Columbine area, and possibly the state of Colorado. In fact, I'd be willing to bet that most serial killers/mass murderers had excessive discipline rather than lenient upbringings. She is the mother of Dylan Klebold, one of the perpetrators of the Columbine High School massacre that occurred on April 20, 1999. Yes, it's really terrible when there is the free-flow of information and ideas, isn't it? On April 20, 1999, Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold stormed into Columbine High School in Littleton, Colorado and murdered 13 people before killing themselves. Dylan seems to have been a very unhappy person. But perhaps he/she IS a charter member of the Reb&VoDKa fan club - and you're just going to IGNORE it? r54 is right. I seem to remember them being called "fag.". Bit of a warning, it's a PDF file. These kids were calculating, smart and intent on destruction. COLUMBINE HIGH SCHOOL massacre - WikiVidi Documentary. In my defense, R78, everyone knew I wrote the best hand. She hyped it up as a must see and an insight to what really happened. [] Asking why only makes us feel hopeless. Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris killed 13 people on April 20, 1999, before taking their own lives. It's about a half an hour before our little judgment day. They do not have a moral center that can be reached. No matter how angry they were they wouldn't be able to kill that many without those weapons. Few more places I can't think of now. For happy, easy-to-raise, and successful kids like him, it was easy to fly under their parents radar precisely because they were the shiny pennies, hiding the terrible pain they were in from their parents as capably as they did everything else (p. 65). Dylan (Klebold) did not do this because of the way he was raised, Susan Klebold told columnist David Brooks in Saturdays editions of The New York Times. At approximately 11:19 a.m., Dylan Klebold and Eric Harris, dressed in trench coats, began shooting fellow students outside Columbine High School, located in a suburb south of Denver. And psychiatrists, rather dubious "doctors" push drugs. Dylan Klebold's father, is Lutheran, and said her son . Discover Detailed Biography Of Dylan Klebold Wiki, Net Worth, Age, Fa . comes from the shittiest of shitty, lazy parent(s). Tom had a huge hobby for fixing up BMW's. If that;s the case, why did he have so many friends? There are several theories but there is not one definition. The perpetrator often has faced peer or social rejection, endured bullying, has anger about the bullying, and lacks the social or coping skills to deal with these issues. They lie. Harris parents, Wayne and Kathy Harris, have never spoken to reporters. Haven't most of you been able to conceal your homosexuality from your family for a number of years? You're an idiot. Eric Harris was beyond needing a therapist. VOTN needs to get a clue. OP is an idiot, laying the whole thing at the parents' door. Funny how things cycle.". From many angles, Dylan was the average kid any parent would want. If only we would have asked the right questions." Parenting is the ultimate denial of responsibility because it is always the OTHER PARENT'S FAULT. Dylan: (predicting his parents' feelings of regret) "If only we could have reached them sooner, or found this tape. Klebold and Dylan's father, Tom, endured not only . While in class we have made abundantly clear that most people with mental health issues are non-violent, Dylans depression and suicidality fits the school shooter pattern. And society does not want to deal with real problems, so it easier to label people, and just forget about the whole thing. In a video-diary-style recording, Dylan stated his parents had been good to him. Dylan says people will note the date and time when watching it. Oprah asked the teachers to describe Harris/Klebold, the teachers talked about how they didn't fit in, wore trenchcoats, seemed troubled and dangerous, and so on. [quote]The teachers at Columbine all seemed incredibly disengaged. There is every likelihood that not a single teacher at Columbine cared enough to pay attention or, even if they did, knew enough to know what danger signs to look for. Making intentions known ahead of time? The giant whine of "I did my beeeeest!" 9-11-1981 -- 17 year old son of Mr. Thomas Klebold (then 52) and Mrs. Susan (Yassenoff) Klebold (then 50), younger brother to Byron (21 at the time). You have to ignore a whole lot of what is wrong with society to limit it to a bogus discussion about how some people have "brains wired differently." Im looking for possible warning signs of trouble between these two individuals and their father-son relationship. As a . I'm sorry, all right. The mother of Columbine killer Dylan Klebold says she thinks every day about the people her . I wonder if there was any homosex between those two. - You're all over this shit aren't ya? Sue is from a prominent Jewish community . I couldn't do that to my family and I admit that I would never have the guts. I wanted an apology. Those kids were their responsibility legally. Dylan wrote an essay about a school shooting that disturbed his teacher enough that it was referred to the school counselor. One particular incident was uncovered where Dylan and Eric (the other shooter) were surrounded by a group, pushed around, called slurs, and had ketchup sprayed on them. Susan insists, "I haven't done anything for which I need forgiveness." Based on the end of Cullen's book, who was of course supposed to be a guest, most of them have moved on. So no, nothing in the gifted program could have helped this kid. Any pix of the monster creators? It wasnt deemed something that needed further attention. Dylan is wearing a black baseball cap on backward, exposing a "B" embroidered in white on the back of the hat - the Boston Red Sox logo. I wish the Harris and Klebold parents were rotting in prison right now as a lesson to parents that wash their hands of it and say "not my problem. In a story for Sundays editions of The Post, Lozow related the first moments after the Klebolds learned of the shooting. Kids do know about their frineds. "Hey, Sci-fi-tologist, fuck off with your anti-psychology bullshit". People that want to pretend that the parents were just innocent distant bystanders who had no responsibility for anything that happened are repulsive. Sue Klebold's son was one of the shooters in a mass killing at Columbine High School 19 years ago. Klebold and Harris were in a juvenile diversion program for breaking into a van and stealing tools and other items in January 1998. Weren't they in a small group of rebellious kids? Very few people really care. one of their coworkers at blackjack (again, cannot remember the name; most of this is just top of my head knowledge but it was a girl) said that dylan was not close with his dad and even disliked him (something to that effect), also in the 11k. Other way around. Sue acknowledges that before Columbine, she would have reacted to news of some horrific act by wondering what that persons parents must have been like to allow someone to turn out like that. Dylan takes the camera then and begins filming Eric. Sue Klebold with son Dylan in 1985. Credit: Sue Klebold via Penguin/Random House Tall, slim and graceful (her younger son was a gangly 193 centimetres tall), she is given to direct eye contact . Has anybody ever agreed with you about that, r104? Similiarly if a child is screaming at playmates and/or siblings and will not stop, you have to move in and take control of the situation. AAron Ontiveroz/the Denver Post via Getty Images These two need to be gutted and hung out for the vultures. GOLDEN, Colo. (AP) _ Less than three months before his deadly rampage at Columbine High School, Dylan Klebold was described by a probation officer as intelligent and capable of making any dream happen, according to juvenile records made public Friday. But they confess that in the main, they have no explanation. Not only had Dylan experienced bullying in school, his school fit some of the factors that meant it was most at risk for a shooting by ignoring certain behaviors and otherwise unevenly enforcing the rules.
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